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PostSubject: Criticism of Healthcare escalating   Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:41 pm

Insurers claim new healthcare bill will raise the cost of Healthcare.

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PostSubject: Re: Criticism of Healthcare escalating   Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:31 am

This debate with the public on the Health Care Bill is unimaginable. I remember when Bill Clinton came into office on a platform of creating "jobs" and then the first thing he did was to push universal health care. The public was outraged and fought it and the universal health care dissappeared. Or so it seemed. Many of the tennants of the health care program put forth by Hillary Clinton were adopted quietly state by state.

Now we have a new leader who is trying to put forth an even more radical universal health care bill and even though the public is not supportive of it they still keep pushing to pass it. The original bill was enormous. They keep cutting things out to please some people and adding things to please others and one wonders if they are going to pass it without reading it in context to know what has been slipped into it.

The other day Senator Hatch spoke and told that over 10 years the Health Care Bill will cost over 250 Billion. At the same time there would be a reduction in Medicare of 400 to 500 Billion. It flies in the face of reason to think you can pay 250 billion for something that costs 400 or 500 billion. That looks more like this bill is an effort to reduce Medicare benefits. Then the comment was made that the real cost was 1.8 trillion. Do these people even know what they are doing? I don't think they have a clue.

Recently one of my relatives became disgusted with the AARP who had come out in support of the new Health Care Bill and my relative called AARP and told them to cancel their membership. Evidently that is being done by thousands of people who have opened their eyes to the AARP and no longer feel it is supportive of the retired people it claims to represent.

Today I saw on the news where Dems are trying to put back in the Medicare money that it was removing. Ai-yi-yi!!!!! This is all a game to them. Put money in, take money out. This is not THEIR MONEY! This battle for the freedom of the American people to have their own choice in the medical care they want is troubling. Voice your opinions. There are American soldiers who have fought and died for the principals of freedom in this country. I do not believe they gave their last full measure so that the government could take over and run private businesses and make medical decisions for individuals. When did Americans stop believing in free enterprise and embrace Socialism? What's the next step, Communism? This is about the government subjugating the people. Stand up and be counted or surrender your freedoms. The choice is yours. Many corrupt leaders think that people will get tired of fighting and will just finally give in and surrender. The victor is the one who keeps standing.

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PostSubject: Will the New Health care plan adversely effect rural medicine.   Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:19 pm

Fox news reported this morning that rural hospitals and rural doctors are going to be paid less under the Obama plan. References in committees refer to the need to move the masses to metropolitan areas.

The story dealt with the plan which calls for less dollars to be paid for the same services rendered in the Twin Cities.

If anyone sees these articles I am very interested. Please share them with us.

For those who care about rural medicine be ready to e-mail your congressmen to get this changed. We just do not have the political clout we used to so every e-mail is important.

We need to watch this carefully so in Milbank and Ortonville we can assist our medical facilities in the area.
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PostSubject: Re: Criticism of Healthcare escalating   Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:16 am

This new health care bill is a dangerous threat to our country's freedom of enterprise, and freedom of choice.

Since when do I need the government to make my medical decisions?

Do you want the government to make your medical decisions? What doctor you see? What treatment you get? How much of whatever treatment?

I would like to make a comparison.

In the Star Trek Voyager episode "Critical Care" (Season 7, episode 5) the Doctor was kidnapped and sold to an alien medical facility that was run by a government appointed administrator.

The Doctor was appalled at the medical malpractice that was taking
place, as only the rich or useful were accorded the best medical care,
while others were left to die or denied medicine because of their
social standing.

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PostSubject: No alternatives to health care?   Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:54 am

According to the AP Nebraska Sen Ben Nelson has now come out in support of the Health Care Bill. That makes the 60th vote. One of the most alarming comments in the article linked below is the following statement:

"Most Americans would be required to purchase insurance, with federal subsidies available to help defray the cost for lower and middle income individuals and families."

REQUIRE? Are they going to force people? Even the seeming innocent comment that federal subsidies will be available for lower and middle income individuals is deceptive. In the first place it requires people to place their finances before government agents to scrutinize and they will determine if they will help you. They may give some people a little money but not likely enough. It is exposing even more people to see the government as caregiver and become dependent upon it.

One area of this Health Care debate has not been discussed. Everyone talks about how expensive health care it. That is true. Modern allopathic medicine is expensive. Their is an alternative that is not discussed. There are many examples of alternative medicine that is effective in curing disease. So far the alternative medicine been vilified and rejected by those agents that make their living in allopathic medicine. What options will alternative medicine have?

If this new health care bill goes through what options will there be for people who want alternative treatment. This may come as a surprise to some people but centuries ago the "medical establishment" scoffed at the idea that germs existed and many women continued to die because doctors refused to wash their hands. The medical establishment scoffed at the idea that scurvy was caused by the lack of vitamin C and for 50 years sailors continued to die from that disease because of the lack of an available vitamin. They scoffed at the idea that pellegra was a vitamin B deficiency. People don't change. The prejudice that existed in that time still exists today. There are those who have said that the cure for cancer is known and it doesn't involve drugs, radiation, or surgery. Many Diseases can be cured by a proper diet that doesn't include modern processed food.

Is the government advocating forcing people to buy insurance for medical treatment that they may not want any part of? Has modern medicine again become to narrow minded and real treatments are being ridiculed because it doesn't fit the agenda of the Medical Establishment?

I do not know how this will all turn out but here at a time of year when people are most inattentive to news the Federal Government is pushing for a vote. While Americans are preparing for the holidays are their freedoms being cut out from under them? They have set a test vote for Monday at 1:00 a.m. ONE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING? Why so early? Like people will pay attention at that time of the night?

See AP story here.

Below are two videos that show a point - counterpoint. I cannot validate either video but they do seem to address arguments that I have heard for and against the health care bill.





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