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PostSubject: Are Rural Politics Changing? A New Tax on Farming!   Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:05 pm

At the risk of having Jorge nitpick over nothing I will give some background.

In the 80's there was a clear division between the major political parties. The Republicans in general supporting large lending institutions and large corporate farms.

The Democratic Party still feeling the effects of Humphrey standing for small family farmers Senator Paul Wellstone most certainly was a strong supporter of the family farm.

As time as gone along, the Republicans have continued to generally favor large corporate farms vs. the family farm, i.e., Secretary of Ag from Minnesota has definitely implemented policies regarding CAFO's supporting large farm operations.

The Democrats have long had strong support from family farmers and have been advocates of small family farms.

In the past week the Obama administration acting through the EPA has attempted to assess a new energy tax. http://farmenergy.org/news/groups-support-ag-energy-proposal-for-carbon-pollution-reduction and http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/677-e2-wire/77425-murkowski-offers-epa-resolution-spars-with-boxer It is the Republicans who have supported the family farmer with Obama claiming that we no longer are an agrarian society, we are watching to keep voters informed of this switch.

At the center of this switch may be Senator Franken. My nitpicky friend Jorge should be able to tell us if the comedian Senator is pro or con. Let's watch! Those of us in the rural communities need to be kept informed, so we can do what others have done. Vote for transparency in government and vote against decisions made in Washinton D.C. in smoke filled rooms.
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PostSubject: Re: Are Rural Politics Changing? A New Tax on Farming!   Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:01 pm

It apparently really strains you to have to think on your feet and write something on your own. Didn't mean to overtax you. Have you been in contact with Sen. Franken or Klobuchar's office to gauge their support-I'd imagine for someone with your political stature that would be an easy thing to do. Don't worry yourself I'll handle it for you and get back to you.
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PostSubject: Do you want to debate or just nitpick?   Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:37 pm

Come on Jorge you are just nitpicking. Just like your other stuff. Little substance lot of complaining.

You obviously have more insight into the far left. I have no contacts with the new comedian.

However I am interested in his politics. Rural America is a big part of my life and you and I will disagree.

Wasn't it the Dem's who supported organic and local farming in the 80's. I think I may have even testified in that regard, but I am sure if you can't nitpick the argument you will attack me.

We call that blowing smoke, but that fits in your smoke filled room. Whatever happened to your buddy Vicki? Is she still reading statistics on how good her website is or is that twitter?

First you attacked our method of advertisements, then you attacked the site and now me. Never the argument always the nitpicky Jorge. You are really helping this site to grow we enjoy your nitpicking.
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PostSubject: Re: Are Rural Politics Changing? A New Tax on Farming!   Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:52 pm

Can you possibly explain to me what "my friend Vicki" has to do with this?
You think I'm a nitpicker-I think your a cheap shot artist.

Mouthpiece, if you notice 99% of your posts-I show you no disrespect. In fact I've posted before that I admire what you've done on rural issues. When you cheap-shot local people and politicians you don't agree with -I'll call you out. If you feel that you are above reproach-I disagree. I stated before-you and I probably have similar views of Senator Franken, the difference is I will afford the Senator the respect that comes with the title. He's done nothing in his short term to deserve less.
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PostSubject: You made my point   Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:51 am

You made my point. What does my writing advertisements have to do with the subject? The exact thing that Vicki had to do with this subject. Nothing?

This is our site and you disagree with stating politics or taking political stances that may be contrary to yours. Talk about it, but criticizing the site is nitpicky. You have your biases and I just wanted others to see who you really are.

Finally aren't you the one who has politicized this local food group. I find ironic that this site has provided more information on farming than any of the other local web site. Yet you ciriticize.

I know that you want the last word because you feel you win the debate when I allow you the last word. Here is my promise to you and the readers.

From this point on I will not indulge Jorge in his nitpicky ways. I will debate with him because it is healthy.

Jorge, make the same promise and the site will be better, or are you going to continue the nitpicky ways of arguing and not debating. You claim you do not like my bias' what about yours? Or are you above reproach? I think you are still trying to define me and just can't. By the way, in my book respect is earned and when politicians earn my respect I tell it the way I see it. I do not blindly follow elected officials. I vote and analysis before I vote.

What you are really saying is you respect me when I talk on your subject, but on the other 99% of the discussions you have no respect. Sounds a little pompous to me. You are the only one who is right and everyone else is wrong. At least I listen to others with respect.

Here is some food for thought:

But the reporter has the responsibility to determine, number one, whether that is true, and number two, to make a judgment as to whether it's in the public interest and whether or not it should be part of the debate.
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PostSubject: Re: Are Rural Politics Changing? A New Tax on Farming!   Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:05 pm

Before I reply any further - how have I politicized the local foods movement in this area? It's an important question-I hope you have an answer.
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PostSubject: Re: Are Rural Politics Changing? A New Tax on Farming!   Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:52 pm

Mouthpiece - you care to comment on your allegation of my politicizing the local foods group or are you again going to post and hide? You made a serious allegation - what is the basis of it? If you leave me to connect the dots the legitimacy of this forum will be drawn into question.
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PostSubject: Tax on Rural People   Tue Jan 26, 2010 6:51 pm

There is a strong argument supported by some that claims that the cap and trade tax is an attempt to redistrbute the wealth from rural communities to urban areas.

Rural areas more dependent on coal would be disadvantaged, says Glenn English, National Rural Electric Cooperative Association CEO and a former Democratic congressman from Oklahoma. "It is a clear transfer of the middle part of the country's wealth to the two coasts," Michael G. Morris, CEO of American Electric Power (AEP), tells Business Week.

One of the articles is found in the following site:

http://www.dailyyonder.com/cap-and-trade-tax-rural/2009/03/16/1995

Which leads me to my initial link which was are the winds shifting for rural communties? We may no longer have representation in Washington D.C. as the Dem's support the redistribution of wealth and the Republicans support big business.

Not an allegation just food for thought.
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PostSubject: Re: Are Rural Politics Changing? A New Tax on Farming!   Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:09 pm

Ignoring me Mouthpiece? I will continue to post replies until you respond. Perhaps LadyHawk will weigh in on your response.
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